This started in another thread ... thought maybe you'd all like to join in. Warnings for Honest Children of Earth Bashing.
Spot the Plot Holes!Day One
An SUV with a triple deadlock seal is nicked by some chavs when the Doctor isn't able to unlock deadlock seals with his sonic screwdriver. - caz251
- I think the chavs bricked the windows. Y'know ... the bulletproof windows that bullets can't get through but apparently bricks can? The magic ones? [- Silver]
How come, in Countrycide
Ianto can track the SUV using his PDA ... but with the entire Hub at his disposal doesn't even bother?
Why was Rhys in a van at that time in the morning? If he was on his way to work, he'd be in his car. He's transport manager - he wouldn't be in a van at that time of the morning (if at all). - caz251
Ianto tells his sister that it's just Jack he's attracted to, when in previous Torchwood books he's commented on the sexual attractiveness of other men, made out with other men and in The Twilight Streets
openly referred to himself as bisexual.
Why does Bridget Spears give Lois (a temp, who has her first day at the office) her password, that gives Lois access to all the super secret government stuff including killing orders?
Even if it was necessary in the beginnig, how can Bridget not change the password later on? - sawyer4kate
Presumably the government wanted to kill Jack because he knew about and participated in the 1965 incident. But, if Jack hadn't spoken about before, why did they assume he would now? Why would they want to kill the planet's best chance of defeating its enemy? - sophyl
If Jack inexplicably had to be killed, why was it necessary to kill Gwen and Ianto? Wouldn't an alien-fighting organization be a help rather than a hindrance in this situation? - sophyl
Hello, remember the rift, that volatile entity the hub is centered on? Wouldn't a Big Spiky Metal Bomb being detonated on top of it cause a massive crater where Cardiff used to be or at the very least, an enormous hole right through the middle of time and space? - sophyl
Psst, Bridget, here is a super top secret order to assassinate everyone who knew about the 1965 government deal with the aliens, so make sure you order the hit in an e-mail sent under your username. - sophyl
Jack couldn't feel that Big Spiky Metal Bomb in his stomach - really? WTF? Did you see
the size of that thing on the scan?
Big Spiky Metal Bomb ... with a two mile blast radius that in reality would have killed Ianto on Day One, (what with him being only a few meters away) and most of the Plass. with about 4 seconds left, Ianto isn't really even at the top of the lift and only walks away with a scratch. He's not sent flying through the air or have broken bones or anything.
Why did all the London buses have "Arriva Wales" public travel services logos on the side?
After the explosion, we see Gwen gets a tongue of fire whipping up right in her face and she falls back afterwards. Beginning of day 2, she has no burns on her face, just trouble with her vision and can't hear anything.
I am sorrym but someone who was in such close proximity to fire would have mark after that (hair burn etc) - jpren678Day Two
Should we even bother to mention how Gwen and Ianto miraculously evaded the snipers? - alinoradesancto
We saw at the end of Day One that Johnson and her men were sat in a vehicle rather close to the Plass - so where was she when Ianto and Gwen surfaced from the two-mile blast radius bomb that somehow didn't kill them?
We know from previous episodes of TW that there's a huge mortuary/morgue full of dead ex-Torchies, aliens, weevils, etc, at the hub. So after the huge bomb blast, the area should have been littered with body parts, human and non-human - not just Jack's. - flobberchops
Jack's body parts - so the bits they found they put in a body bag and they re-knit themselves into a new Jack. So what did the bits of body they didn't find do? Did they also grow into new Jacks - are there multiple Jacks now running around generated from all the bits? - flobberchops
Ianto, using only a number plate and (his sister's laptop managed to track down a vehicle but yet again failed to search for the SUV? - alinoradesancto
Ianto was far enough away that he had to use binoculars to see what was going on but could still hear Jack scream? (And know it was Jack?) - alinoradesancto
The concrete cell took an afternoon to dry solid, when a much thinner pavement takes about a day, and a poured concrete wall about - oh - three?
Look at the size of the cell Jack was in via the CCTV and compare it to the size of the concrete slab Ianto ripped out of the wall. Jack would have had to be standing up in the cell for it to be shaped that way. - helenscho
Said concrete block could also be lifted by an 8 tonne limit tractor [despite weighing in the region of 40 - no offence Mr. Barrowman.]
How would Ianto know the depth and height of the foundations behind the wall to get the aim of the fork lift right and not break the prongs on the concrete block (or the bricks, for that matter ...)
The tractor not falling off the edge of the quarry that didn't appear in any ariel shots of the vicinity, but must have been close because they remained miraculously uncaptured ...
Ianto drops the concrete slab containing Jack into the quarry, freeing him. Realistically speaking, Jack should have been pulled apart once again since the hard concrete having been adhered to the soft tissue wouldn't simply have detached. - there's also the fact that being encased in concrete like that sucks all the water from your body and leaves burns.
why didn't Jack have any concrete in his orifices? It might not be glamourous to watch, but JB pulling a concrete stick out of his arse would've been wonderfully realistic after being trapped in a Magi-Dry© concrete cell ...
The atmosphere pumped into the sealed chamber built to 456 instructions contains a number of poisonous gasses, including "12% fluorine". Fluorine, (atomic number 8) is the only gas more reactive than oxygen; flammable substances exposed to pure fluorine at room temperature are likely to burst into flame. It is quite likely that the mixture described might well explode as soon as it was mixed.
Since this organization is actively hunting down Torchwood, wouldn't the guard at the gate recognize Gwen? - sophyl
A forklift carrying a 40-ton Jack-in-the-Block of miraculously quick-drying cement does not move very fast. Johnson and her team could probably catch up to it while walking. - sophyl
After Rhys moved the oil tanker with its keys conveniently left in the ignition across the road, he blew it up with a hand gun, thereby setting the oil on fire. Could not happen. Unless Rhys was using special hollow point, armour piercing bullets and one hell of a big gun. There have actually been papers written on this stale, overused-by-unimaginative-writers trope. - sophyl
World's slowest car chase - baddies in souped-up sedan can't catch up with a jcb doing about 8 miles an hour before they blow up the tanker (which couldn't actually be blown up by a handgun) that blocks the baddies path? Also, why didn't aforementioned baddies just drive round blazing tanker on the huge grass verges that were on either side of blazing tanker in the road. - flobberchops
- Because of the "Keep off the Grass sign"> - ffrengig_moron - [sorry, thought it was funny ... - Silver]
There were sentries at the gate on the way in, so why didn't they stop Torchwood on their way out? - sophylDay Three
Pertaining to the warehouse ...
1. Where did they get the sofa?
2. And the office chairs/desks
3. Oil drums? Okay ...
4. I know it was blurry ... but had they somehow got a kitchen?
5. ... and pots and pans? *beans*
6. Speaking of breaking in ... where did Ianto manage to get his Crowbar of Doom?
7. How did they get sufficient electrity and Internet access in a derelict warehouse? - helenscho
8. How did Jack get clean? How was there running water in the abandoned warehouse? I'm sure utility companies tend to shut down these supplies if no one is paying for them. - joymaro
If they keep track of their tech, why didn't someone notice the contact lenses were missing before Gwen showed up with them? It did seem like she had them for a while - diggybear
How was Lois (a mere secretary) allowed to get so close to the 456 wearing the contact lenses etc without someone telling her to back away...and why was she allowed in the room at all? - helenscho
If I recall Reset correctly (it's been awhile though, so this might be bogus), Team!Torchwood were able to hear what Copley and the Nurse were saying to Martha...so why did they only have clumsy lip-reading software after that? - magicmalcom
Why would Gwen (ex-policewoman) need to teach Jack (ex-intergalatical conman) and Ianto (ex-petty thief and cyberwoman smuggler) how to be a criminal? - alinoradesancto
Alice knew enough to not use her own phone to ask about Jack but then only went outside her own house to make the call? - alinoradesancto
Although at the beginning of the episode Jack appears in borrowed clothing, he has apparently still managed to hang onto his own boots despite apparently previously losing everything.Day Four
Six words: Virus. Released. From. Air. Tight. Tank.
How come Dekker (or whatever his name, the bastard who was sooo happy and in glee about Stephen being killed) survived? Wasn't the poison suppose to be spontaneous, as in: "It's too late, I already breathed it" fatal. He surely breathed some before putting those protecting clothes...? - elanor12
The man who prepares for any and every eventuality, walks into a room housing a hostile alien terducken encased in a poison filled tank, with just a handgun as a show of support for the man who may or may not be his boyfriend. No gas mask just in case the bullets from his handgun actually manage to shatter the bullet-proof glass and release the poisonous air into the room. No, sorry, don't buy it. - sophyl
Also, didn't Jack know enough about aliens and the probable atmosphere of the tank to realize that shooting at it, with the intention to break it, while Ianto was in the room, was a very very bad idea??? - joymaro
Viruses do not kill immediately. Repeat, viruses do not kill immediately. That is a physical impossibility against all the laws of nature. It cannot happen. Viruses infect the body, mutate, attack cells and then kill the host. At the most, Ianto and everyone else at Thames House should be in quarantine somewhere while a cure is sought. - sophyl
After killing everyone, the virus just disappeared so it was almost immediately safe for anyone else to enter the building? - sophyl
And if the 456 killed everyone on the planet, wouldn't they also be killing their one chance to acquire more of their drug? - sophyl
Oh and how did Ianto get in there without protection? They knew the 456 had threatened before with poison, and they didn't think to protect themselve before saying "You're leaving or it's war"? Come on! It's Ianto! Always prepared! - elanor12Day Five
Why the hell does Andy, who has never even met Ianto (at least on TV) ask Gwen if he was gay? Is that really the first thing on his mind while he is on his way to tell the family about Ianto´s death? - sawyer4kate
ohnson's crew have been monitoring Torchwood and its computer system for years? Without Tosh noticing? My arse they did. - [Unknown LJ tag]
- - They watched but obviously didn't know much about the Hub because they had to give Jack 5 minutes to make sure he was inside properly to blow it up. - diggybear
Exactly how did Spears manage to record anything with the lenses when there was absolutely no computer or laptop working at that moment to record anything??? Unless of course the lenses have an internal hd or something... which I highly doubt. You'd still have to press "rec" somewhere - di_br
The army stop chasing Gwen, Rhys and children despite the 456 only just being destroyed - surely they wouldn't have recieved the order yet. - hitchhikingon
So ... Jack sends a sound signal to destroy the 456, right? So ... there should be more 456 in big Millions of Children Carrying Space Ships in the sky right? Especially since sound - even Magic Child Singing in Falsetto Sound - can't actually travel in space ... - kholranGeneral/Overall
MARTHA?! OMG WHERE THE HELL WAS MARTHA DURING ALL OF THIS? DID SHE NOT TRY TO CALL THE DOCTOR? - joymaro
UNIT were ready to blow up the whole planet with the Osterhagen Key when the Dalek's arrived on Dr Who, but here they just shrugged their shoulders and did nothing? - flobberchops
So they only way the 456 can come down and threaten you is if you build them an airtight glass chamber for them to live in. Here's an idea - don't build the chamber! - flobberchops
They blew up TW to keep Jack quiet and preserve their secret doing sin 1965. What made them think the aliens would keep quiet about 1965? - flobberchops
What about the magic self-cleaning glass of the 456's tank? The 456 sneezes all over the place every 5 seconds only for it to instantly disappear... - i_bananas
Why did the 456 need the kids to be rounded up, when they could have just beamed/used their Magic Fire of Teleportation© to pick them up from their playgrounds using in-depth knowledge of world time zones and kiddies' play times?Everyone in the world was in complete compliance with the UK
- wtf? Even Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Korea? Really??
They just agreed to go with what us Brits were telling them to do? Talk about neglect of current affairs in the oh-so-real world of Torchwood: Children of Earth
. I mean ... even France hates us, and we're not at war/ political conflict with them!!
For two seasons, we've been told that "the 21st century is when everything changes," and we've believed it because Jack, a time agent from the 51st century knows what is going to happen in our time. I can accept that he doesn't know small events such as cannibals, fairies, sleeper agents, night travelers and even Abbadon, but an event so large that every politician, bureaucrat, soldier/marine and government in the world is a willing participant (and how realistic is that) should have made the history books. If the entire premise of Torchwood is to be believed, then Jack should have known about the 456, he should have seen them coming. - sophyl
Why did the scar on Ianto's cheek never start to scab? Even after 3 days, it would have got at least a little crusty - helenscho
- The only reason I medically think for this is that he had some kind of blood illness that no one knew about (even the writers!). Like leukemia or AIDS. Delightful. [- Silver]
NOTE: Ianto's scar stays bright red to draw attention to it. Just as all of the bender, gay boy, taking it up the ass, pervert, who's the queer, I can smell it on him references, a scar shaped exactly like a lambda, the international symbol for gay pride, was used to draw attention to the fact Ianto was gay/bi/it's just Jack. - sophyl
As before, add your suggestions here! Tell your Torchwood buddies and lets see how many we get ...
Contest any 'plot holes' here too. If you can think of an explanation for them (that's viable beyond 'A WIZARD DID IT!') just post it here and I'll see whether or not I'll change/ remove it.
Maybe we could do a thread for S1/S2 plot holes? We have had to ignore quite a few ... :-P